At the end of this week’s edition of TVEnthusiast’s The Weekly Set, Kat and Tyson decided to have a discussion about this week’s mid season finales for The Flash and Arrow. This article is a bonus segment of The Weekly Set.
Beware: There be Spoilers in These Waters.
Tyson: Alright, lets talk The Flash and Arrow. Lets start with The Flash since Arrow will be too much to start on haha.
Kat: I’m glad Flash finally had some momentum on a number of fronts.
Tyson: It was a good episode, a lot of emotion. I liked that Barry came clean about his crush.
Kat: Amen. That was the biggest relief, as that plot really needed to go somewhere new. And it was good growth for his character to own up to it.
Tyson: Yeah, I want him to move on. Something has to happen, as I don’t want that “will they, won’t they” cliche thing anymore.
Kat: Me too, and I want Iris to get a new plotline.
Tyson: I still like him with Felicity, but man, everyone is into Felicity now. Especially costumed vigilantes.
Kat: Kat: Yeah, it’s a tad ridiculous.
Tyson: That would be the best way to handle crossover though, with a cross-show romance. Plus, they would be a cute couple. What did you think of Barry’s moments with his “fathers”?
Kat: I actually quite liked them – I was surprised his dad told him to let it go and move on, as that wasn’t what I was expecting.
Tyson: Kind of the opposite of Laurel’s mom on Arrow eh?
Kat: Heh, no kidding.
Tyson: I never felt that his relationship with his adopted dad was all that personal, but this episode expanded upon their familiar feelings for eachother.
Kat: Yeah, for sure. Scenes like that one and the one in the second episode where Barry explains all the fatherly things Joe did for him are sweet. I like it better when both of these shows focus on the relationships – and I do hope Flash can flesh this kind of thing out more.
Tyson: I liked him saying that the world needs The Flash, but he needs Barry.
Kat: Yep. Totally.
Tyson: I also quite enjoy when Barry does his little altruistic turns. Painting, making coffee, doing little things to help others. It is a big part of the difference between Arrow and The Flash, tonally.
Kat: Definitely, it makes him more fun – I wish the pilot had let him do that more; it makes him seem more human.
Tyson: I felt that his most Flash like moment so far in the series was in the crossover when he zoomed in and was eating Chinese food in front of Diggle’s “wife” without his mask.
Kat: Hee – that made me laugh.
Tyson: Something about that just screamed Flash to me.
Tyson: Ah yes, it was Sushi, I just remembered the chop sticks.
Kat: “They’re married.” That was a great moment.
Tyson: It was relaxed posture and carelessness. I loved it.
Tyson: How about Reverse Flash? Theories?
Kat: Hmmm, I think this well and truly confirms time travel from Harrison Wells. I like the idea that he – maybe both of these versions of him? – are both somehow displaced from time. It would explain a lot.
Tyson: Are you familiar with the comics?
Tyson: So apparently (I am not all that familiar with the comics either) there is another character on the show with a VERY similar name to the Reverse Flash from the comics. That might suggest Harrison isn’t actually the Reverse Flash after all.
Kat: Interesting. But is somehow just connected to him?
Tyson: I’ll avoid any more details as it could be potential spoilers, but only the name is a connection so far. Time Travel would likely be in play with this scenario as well. I don’t think it would make sense otherwise
Kat: That could be a fun twist – Wells is so interesting that I want the full reveal of his intents and identity to be something we don’t see coming.
Tyson: Yeah, Wells as Reverse Flash is too obvious. Which makes me hope he isn’t.
Kat: Does the Reverse Flash have the same powers as the Flash? I was really wanting them to explain that.
Tyson: I think so, I am not that familiar with the comics either. Though if it is Wells, it seems that it might come from the suit itself rather than his body, based on the final moment of the episode.
Tyson: And if the power is from the suit itself, then Reverse Flash could be both Harrison and the other character I spoke of, as multiple people could wear the same suit at different times.
Kat: I actually like the idea of there being someone with powers equal or greater than Barry’s – he’s been getting a bit too cocky for his own good.
Tyson: Yeah, Barry needs a strong foil.
Tyson: What about Firestorm? The actor is Stephen Amell’s cousin, Robbie Amell.
Kat: I know! Heh.
Tyson: In the comics he is the fusion of 2 different people.
Kat: Victor Garber! Can’t wait.
Tyson: Seeing him fly away was cool, the most comic bookie thing to happen in the show besides The Flash’s own speed.
Kat: This is one arena where Flash loses me a bit: I do feel like the show is catering itself more toward fans of the comics, which often leaves me feeling out in the cold. Whereas Arrow has organically integrated a lot of easter eggs and the like and never made me feel alienated.
Tyson: Hahaha that’s because Arrow references the Batman comics. So with that segue, lets dive into darker territory, Arrow. Wow! A lot of powerful stuff going on.
Kat: Seriously. Episodes 8 and 9 of this season really were just fantastic.
Tyson: Though am I alone in feeling it all came on a bit suddenly, after the crossover and all.
Kat: I’ve kind of wondered about that -if the show was intentionally spinning its wheels a bit so they could do the crossover.
Tyson: I wish they had built up more towards Ra’s al Ghul.
Tyson: We had only seen him once before, I think.
Kat: The impression I get is that they’re going to mess with the status quo in the back half of the season, and combined with wanting to do the crossover, they decided to keep things relatively static while concentrating on navigating relationships into place, and laying the groundwork for long-term themes. Now that 9 has kicked off, I’m seeing big stuff going down when the show comes back.
Tyson: Oh yeah. definitely. Looks like Oliver might be dead to the outside world again for a bit, kind of like when he was on the island, a new survival story.
Kat: Though it might not be to the outside world – it might just be to Team Arrow + Laurel. Which will make for an interesting watch: how Team Arrow copes and functions sans Oliver.
Tyson: Yeah, I imagine we are in for strong emotions.
Kat: And since he looked to be well and truly dead in the promo, I’m wondering how much of it will be about surviving, and how much of it will be about him coming back to life.
Tyson: I can’t imagine his sister not learning of what he did for her.
Kat: I sure hope so – though at the same time, how is Thea going to cope when she learns she killed Sara?
Tyson: The question, for me at least, is if she actually didn’t know. There is also the chance that her pops lied to Oliver about mind controlling her.
Kat: I don’t think she did.
Tyson: I hope that is the case.
Kat: I hope so too. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s much hope for her character. And Oliver sacrificed himself for nothing.
Tyson: But man, what a twist on Merlyn, if she didn’t know, then he is super cold, even more so than we had thought.
Kat: Indeed. I’m interested to learn his long-term goals; because he must’ve known Oliver wouldn’t be able to beat Ra’s al Ghul. In which case, what outcome was he hoping for? If he wanted Oliver dead, why not just find a way to kill him outright?
Tyson: I thought Merlyn would somehow use Oliver as a distraction and try and kill Ra’s al Ghul himself, but that didn’t happen. We mentioned earlier that all the vigilantes seems to love Felicity, well now it seems like she has a new boss who wants to be a vigilante, who also likes her.
Kat: Yes! And it made me realize why Ray bugs me so much: he’s totally infringing on all of Oliver’s territory. Plus, he’s just super creepy to boot.
Tyson: Did you say “super” lol j/k (Brandon Routh played Superman)
Kat: I picked it up from my nieces and nephews. 😉
Tyson: I had forgotten that he was hired on to play the Atom.
Kat: Not sure how I feel about that – but like a lot of plotlines, I don’t feel I can really comment until I see how they’re utilized in the long haul.
Tyson: Felicity had a great line about it though.
Kat: “Why does this keep happening to me?”
Kat: Regarding Oliver’s “death”, I know the prevailing theory is Lazarus Pits. Thoughts?
Tyson: Lazarus Pits would be interesting, a further push away from the more grounded story in Arrow.
Kat: True. But they have used Mirakuru and the Flash.
Tyson: Lazarus is a bit beyond Mirakuru when it comes to heightened elements, but then again, The Flash is beyond Lazarus.
Kat: Also, I read something where Marc Guggenheim strongly hinted that Ra’s was in one at the end of episode 4. Plus, the 67 years since anyone challenged him was a strong indicator.
Tyson: Yeah, the 67 years line was a nice touch.
Kat: And if they play it right, maybe they could focus less on the craziness of the idea and more on the emotional repercussions. I thinks since they’ve already established that Oliver’s long-term for the season is his ongoing identity crisis, whatever state he’s in post-resurrection could well play into that. And from what I’ve read about Lazarus Pits, they could be a good contributor.
Tyson: Yeah, I don’t think Arrow gains anything he doesn’t “earn”. I like that about the show.
Kat: Exactly. Me too.
Tyson: I always love shows in which characters are put through hell before gaining ability.
Kat: It’s great.
Tyson: Their suffering is the earning. Otherwise it just feels like Dragon Ball Z based muscle flexing pissing contests.
Kat: And it works so well in this universe: I love me the superpowered in other properties, but I really get a kick out of all his abilities being based purely on skill.
Tyson: Yeah, it made his fight with The Flash really fun to watch. He was outmatched, but used strategy to his advantage, because Barry was less capable of taking the few hits Oliver could get in.
Kat: Seriously. And since they have such different styles, it made the experience so complementary.
Tyson: Yeah, the wait for the next episode is going to be harsh as hell.
Kat: I know! Six weeks!
Tyson: I kept looking at the clock, “why hasn’t the fight started yet, oh god, cliffhanger incoming.”
Kat: And that fight was just intense. I love that Ra’s al Ghul just dominated – that was exactly how it should’ve gone down.
Tyson: Yeah the fight was great, Oliver was completely outclassed. I wasn’t sure about Ra’s from his previous appearance, but after this I am fully on board with this take on the character.
Kat: And they’ve made him into such a viable, tangible threat now – regardless of whether or not he’s the season’s big bad.
Tyson: Yeah, I hope they don’t make him the big bad, I feel the universe needs him as this ongoing potential threat.
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